HILLMAN CAR CLUB
OF SOUTH AUSTRALIA INC

Tech Tips:
Oil Filter Canister Models
HILLMAN CAR CLUB
OF SOUTH AUSTRALIA INC


Rootes introduced the modern canister style filter in the mid 1960s, starting with the Minx Series V.  Originally specified for Australia was the Ryco Z10 now superseded by the Z89A (according to the Ryco website vehicle type search).  Elsewhere, the FRAM offers several models search for Hillman at https://www.fram.com .
It seems (from the conversation below) that several other models will also do the job.  Ron Beckett once said that the Ryco Z9 (designed for the early Australian Ford Falcons, larger than the Z10) will do the job adequately.  Keith Johnson has tried one, and found it to work ok.  If the oil drains down between uses (despite the Anti Drain Back Valve), the larger filter takes longer to fill, which means longer before oil pressure builds up.
Ryco Z89A does indeed have identical specification, except for the length.
Quite apart from a filter's internal design, it seems prudent to also check the external dimensions first to ensure that there is adequate space for it in your car's engine bay.  Hunters have the battery on the right side, which might be a problem.
As at March 2022, prices at Repco are Ryco Z9 $10, Ryco Z89A $18


From: Adrian Higgs [adrian_p_higgs(at)yahoo.co.uk]

I found a filter for a Peugeot 405 (1.8?) worked fine on my Super Minx FRAM part number PH2879.
Editor's note: as at March 2022, that part number is superseded.
It drained down but only if the car was left unused for several days.



From: Ron Beckett [thebecketts(at)optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:08:37 +1100
To: Adrian Higgs [adrian_p_higgs(at)yahoo.co.uk]
Subject: Re: "Hillman " Oil filters

I saw a 405 this week first time I've ever seen one.  Peugeot isn't a common brand Down Under.
The Ryco filter for the 405 is: Z543 (OEM p/n 1109.N2)
I don't think Fram is sold here Ryco list the equivalent to the PH2879 to be the Z89A hey, that's what we said in the first place!

FYI, look up http://www.rycofilters.com.au/productcatalogue.php?listing=app.
Editor's note: Ryco has entirely restructured its website.  Start at the homepage https://www.rycofilters.com.au/ and select by vehicle types (click on Passenger Vehicles).  Hillman is in the Popular Makes.

Ron



From: KKJ [kkj(at)privat.utfors.se]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:09 AM
To: hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: SV: "Hillman " Oil filters

This message forwarded by the Hillman List.

Filters for Volvo B18, B20 engines.  Volvo 144, 240 cars, Saab 99, Alfa-Romeo 4 cyl. engines can be used on Rootes engines.

Kristian J



From: Ron Beckett [thebecketts(at)optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 3:19 PM
To: hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: "Hillman " Oil Filters for Hunters etc.

This message forwarded by the Hillman List.

For those of you who are looking for oil filters for Hunters (the Ryco Z10 or Z89A or equivalent), go to you local Land Rover dealer.  The filter from the second generation Range Rover (the P38A model) 1995-2002 uses the same filter as does the Discovery Series I, both diesel and V8 petrol.  Earlier Range Rovers use the bigger filter equivalent to the Ryco Z9.

Ron



From: Vic Hughes [v.hughes(at)austarmetro.com.au]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:11 PM
To: Hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: "Hillman " Ebay Aus oil filters (Z10 spin-on)

I have my eye on these at the moment Z10 oil filters to suit later (post '63?) Hillman 4s

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2492973693

if they don't go ballistic I will bid late.  I don't need all 10, so am prepared to share so please don't bid against me   (My Ebay sign is "lemansvk").  They are heavy and postage rates in Australia mean that it is not sensible to take fewer than 2.

Let me know if interested, I'll let you know if I win

Cheers, Vic



From: Keith Johnson [keiths55(at)bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:24 AM
To: minx
Subject: Re: "Hillman " Ebay Aus oil filters (Z10 spin-on)

Vic

You do know that the readilly available Z-9 fits right on and Kmart sell them for around $7.00????
I use them on my Californian with no problem.
They are also twice as big so have more filter element??

Keith



From: JWClassicParts(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:16 AM
To: hillman@can-inc.com
Cc: keiths55(at)bigpond.net.au; v.hughes(at)student.canberra.edu.au
Subject: "Hillman " Oil Filters

Hello Keith and Vic,
The difference between Z9 used on Ford Falcon, Valiants, etc and the Z10 used on Hillman Minx Sr 5 onwards and Hunters.  Z10 has Anti Drain back valve inside while Z9 does not.
Editor's note: As of March 2022, the Z9 does have an Anti Drain Back Valve, but considering the length of time between uses of our cars, some draining is likely to occur.
The kept Oil on start up in the Rocker Gear will prevent early failure.  I think fitting the correct Oil Filter is better using a substitute that looks ok but performs differently.  What do others think?
Greetings, Jim in Melbourne



From: Keith Johnson [keiths55(at)bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:32 AM
To: minx
Subject: "Hillman " Re: Oil Filters

Jim

I never knew that :0
It does take a few seconds for my oil light to go out on start up.
For oil to drain back it would need to return via the oil pump "leakdown" or out through the various oil feeds.  I don't really think that there would be noticable increase in engine wear from this.  Another good reason to add the "Nulon" stuff to my oil :) to prevent this start up situation.

Keith



From: LINDEN M MALKI [importautosbdo(at)juno.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 12:47 PM
To: JWClassicParts(at)aol.com
Cc: hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: Re: "Hillman " Oil Filters

We have always made a point of using anti-drainback filters on any car they were originally fitted on.  The main point is to use them on cars where the filter is mounted with the threaded end down.  Just introducing an air bubble into the system when the filter has drained is not good for stuff --
Linden



From: TIGEROOTES(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:56 PM
To: JWClassicParts(at)aol.com; hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: Re: "Hillman " Oil Filters

The (same fitting) Volvo filter does not have an internal bypass valve: consequently, when clogged, it neither filters nor allows the 'expected' portion of oil to circulate.  (Seems to me, that is the reason for the bypass valve in the filter block)  --but what do I know...
Jim



From: Ron Beckett [beckettr(at)optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:36 PM
To: Hillman List
Subject: Re: "Hillman " Oil Filters

This message forwarded by the Hillman List.

Does the current replacement for the Z10, the Z89A incorporate an anti-drainback valve?  I don't have a filter here to check.  I will tomorrow or Monday as I'm about to do an oil change on my Rangie.  I use either the Land Rover filter or the Z9.

Is that the rubber flap at the top of the filter?  The Z9 has one.

An alternative filter is the Land Rover ERR3340 used on the 200Tdi and 300Tdi and the Rover V8 engine (Ryco specify the Z89A for the Land Rover).

For an interesting study on oil filters, see http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html
Editor's note: as of March 2022, that website no longer exists.

Ron



From: humbersnipe [humbersnipe(at)cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:25 PM
To: JWClassicParts(at)aol.com; hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: Re: "Hillman " Oil Filters

Several years ago when I worked at a SAAB dealer, I discovered that SAAB had used the same filter on their older models as was listed for the Rootes motors.  But they changed the specs of their filter to a much smaller case with a modern filter element.  Still has a drain back valve, and is a much smaller filter so pressure builds almost instantly, even when changing the oil.  I've been using that filter for about 10 years now.

Jon Arzt
Omaha, NE



From: humbersnipe [humbersnipe(at)cox.net]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:22 PM
To: Jan Eyerman; hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: "Hillman " Re: Saab Oil Filter

This message forwarded by the Hillman List.

The SAAB part number was 9144445, don't know if they've changed it or not, as I last bought a case about 5 years ago.  But it's the filter that fits all 900s, and 9000s at least up until 1994.  When the Opel 6 cylinder came in, it used a different filter.  You don't want that one the threads are wrong, but close enough to screw on.  And blow off later.

Come to think of it, I'll be needing some soon myself now that the Minx has a spin-on filter, too.

Jon



From: Ron Beckett [beckettr(at)optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:03 PM
To: Hillman List
Subject: Re: "Hillman " Re: Saab Oil Filter

This message forwarded by the Hillman List.

For Aussie/NZL readers, the Saab 9144445 is equivalent to the Ryco Z418

Manufacturer Manufacturer Number RYCO Part Number
SAAB 9144445 Z418

The Z89A was used on the 900 GLE IA5,IM5,TU3,TU4,TU5 1979 - 1981

Ron



From: kkj [kkj(at)privat.utfors.se]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:58 PM
To: hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: SV: "Hillman " Re: Saab Oil Filter

This message forwarded by the Hillman List.

Don't forget the Volvo filter.  (older Volvos like 140, 240, 340, 360, 760. Engine: B18, B20, B21, B200, B19, B14, B28)
Ford Sierra 1.3, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 from around 86- and forwards.  (The "Pinto" engine I think)
There are other filters that fits even if they have a different number.  They have the same base but are higher but it's no space problem on the Rootes engine.

Kristian J
{Webmaster's note:  He later clarified that these all fit Hillman engines.}



From: LINDEN M MALKI [importautosbdo(at)juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:27 AM
To: kkj(at)privat.utfors.se
Cc: hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: Re: SV: "Hillman " Re: Saab Oil Filter

This message forwarded by the Hillman List.

The basic Hillman/Alpine spin-on flter is also the same as MGB as well as Volvo and Saab.  Some of the later B's had a smaller filter, the one from the 70-74 Midget, that is smaller and also has the anti-drainback valve.
There are some other filters that are similar -- there is a Toyota and also a small Ford, but I don't know if the internal valving is the same.  Some years ago we had problems with replacement filters on the B's and Volvos not having the internal bypass valves set correctly, and had some engine failures.
Linden



From: Jan Eyerman [jan.eyerman(at)usa.net]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 2:25 AM
To: LINDEN M MALKI; kkj(at)privat.utfors.se
Cc: hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: "Hillman " Oil Filters

This message forwarded by the Hillman List.

The spin on filter used on Hunters is Lee LF-16 which I believe is the same as the Chrysler Slant 6 filter and is just a short version of the Ford Filter (Lee LF-1).

Jan Eyerman



From: Graham Robinson 62 Husky [Leslie3008(at)bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:15 PM
To: Jan Eyerman; LINDEN M MALKI; kkj(at)privat.utfors.se
Cc: hillman@can-inc.com
Subject: Re: "Hillman " Oil Filters

This message forwarded by the Hillman List.

Jan,
In Australia they use the standard Z10 or Z89A and PO 121 (Pheonix) spin on/off oil filters for all Hillman/Hunters/Alpine and Rapiers etc. that use the corresponding oil distribution block mounted on the engine block.  I guess it is up to the individual and some filters do increase the pressure at the gauge.  Replaced an early Z10 with a new Z10 and the pressure went up 10 lbs/psi.  I have just bought a batch of "Toyota" branded Z10's and it will be interesting to see how these perform.  For sales to our club members.
Gr.


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